Alright, so I was finishing up HoH and I came upon this really cool quote about Augustus. "Power humbled rather than corrupted him." And thats just awesome! What other great leaders displayed such humility?
The Roots of American Order is an amazing book. My pages turned from write to red with all the marking and underlining and thinking that I did, even with just one chapter.
so... roots of American Order is the BEST!!! here are some of the quotes that he quoted that I like and some quoted from him and some thoughts from me...
Kirk quotes Simone Weil who said “Order is the first need of all” She also said “Our twentieth century is a time of disorder” which this could also be said of this 21st century She then compared the century to the disorder of the Greeks “it is as though we had returned to the age of Protagoras and the Sophists, the age when the Art of passion… took the place of thought.” Kirk says that you could add that our time of troubles is also like the disorder of the Romans in 100 B.C. or the fall of the said Romans 600 years later.
I just really liked this because now that we know about Greece and stuff we can relate to this... I like how he mentions the four cities: Athens, Rome, Jerusalem and London and names them as the four cities of the ancient world
No order equals Anarchy and even communism is better than Anarchy this is so true! because with Communism many could survive but in anarchy eventually all will die... “Ignore a fact and that fact will become your master”
a really good quote from Cicero is: “ Our Age, however, inherited the Republic as if it were some beautiful painting of bygone ages, its colors already fading through great antiquity; and not only has our time neglected to freshen the colors of the picture, but we have failed to preserve its form and outlines.” this is coming true in America today... No order is perfect since men are not perfect as James Madison put it, “if men were angels no government would be necessary.”
“Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.” ~ George Santayana well... that was my random blurb it is disorganized but has a lot of my thoughts of the chapter and even more quotes...
I'm reading Do hard things for SoLed, and it's making me think about how little teenagers are expected to do...really. We do almost NOTHING compared to how much the 'teenagers' of a hundred years ago or more did. We have such low expectations. We need to step up and improve our game. :)
I'm not in SoLed, but I do have a comment on that. In my house, I'm not allowed to be a "teenager" I am required to be a young adult. The reason for this is that teenagers are like you said, expected to do so little. A young adult on the other hand, has responsibilities and expectations set for them. We actually are expected to be an adult, and take on different jobs and such things, and by doing so we learn and grow.
Another person of power that comes to mind is Abraham Lincoln.
I hardily agree that Roots of American Order is the coolest book! and I like everything Nathan said, here on the blog, and at class today. A short comment on his comment, Nathan said : She (Simone Weil) then compared the century to the disorder of the Greeks “it is as though we had returned to the age of Protagoras and the Sophists, the age when the Art of passion… took the place of thought.” I seems to me that, when Weil uses the term "passion" she means "human desire" or even "vice" so 'The Art of human desire... took place of thought.' that I just realized is connectable to HoH page 131, the first paragraph of "The Moral Collapse" So that's just my thought.
And WH class was so awesome today, I loved the discussion, and I love this topic. One of the quotes that we talked about was: "And order is bigger than its laws, and many aspects of any social order are determined by beliefs and customs, rather than being governed by positive laws." (page 5, Roots of American Order) I understand the concept that an order is bigger than it's laws, but that's about it, I don't really know exactly how it is that... Do you guys have any ideas?
Inspired by Do Hard Things ;) Compared to the regular ‘teenage girl’ that I am surrounded by, I am pretty great, but compared to myself- I am by no means extraordinary...
The harder we work the more that we are able to do. The more we learn the more that we are able to learn. We never stop expanding, we never stop growing, we never stop learning. What I am saying is that our potential grows every time we grow.
Even if when we are not pushing ourselves, we are often “doing great" according to the worlds standards (because the standards are so low). However, according to our potential, we are below standard. So we must always work beyond what we think is our capacity in order to grow and develop. Then the next time, working at that capacity won’t be as hard. And it continues from there.
This is the cycle:
Work Hard= Learn more & Do more = Capacity Grows
This may seem like a depressing truth, but its really not. We will always have the chance to keep growing and keep learning. We will always have the opportunity to continue developing our character and our mind.
This being said...sometimes you do need to hear that you are pretty great. It can be awfully discouraging when you feel like no one appreciates you and all of the hard work that you are constantly doing. When someone compliments you it may go one of two ways; a) you are grateful and it inspires you to continue on or b) you get a little bit full of yourself and stop working as hard. However, case b) is easily rectified because that is where the whole “look at how much more I can do” comes in. So the cycle then turns into this…
Work Hard= Learn More & Do More = Capacity Grows= People Notice (or you notice)= Get Humble (as needed)& Work Hard = Learn More & Do more = Capacity Grows...
You see the picture? When people notice (sometimes its you that does the noticing ;) or compliment you on the hard work that you are continually doing you are able to start the cycle over again because what they said gives you motivation to continue.
So…Work hard and don’t neglect to compliment others as they work too. As Mr. Brown said today “ Life is an equation: you get out of it EXACTLY what you put in.” So put in all that you have :)
I am glad you brought that up, Layne. I personally believe that every hard thing we do, every trial we conquer, makes us better people. The situation/ action might be hard, but I have never regretted doing those things! I enjoy the person I grow to be too much!
PF, Punky and Layne, I love the discussion on Do Hard Things. That book is making me think a lot, too. Nathan, thanks for posting your annotations (quotes and commentary). I think we should all do that. Gabriel, when is our next mentor meeting? If not that, on Wednesday at 12:00-1:00 I am going to do office hours. Maybe you should meet me in my office then and I'll give you some pointers. Anyone else have pointers for Gabriel on how to come up with interesting topics? Here's the link to my Office for office hours: https://sas.elluminate.com/site/external/launch/meeting.jnlp?sid=2010289&password=M.9DDDE6C5570155ECC5BBB355F520D7
Layne was right Gabe. Even during classes, if you come up with an epiphany, write it down. Then bring it to the blog. If you can't think of a question, you can always participate in other discussions.
Lately I've been wondering, what quality in a people causes the rise of civilization; and have that same quality taken away, causes the downfall?
hmmm...though a quality might be Religion... I would say it is not necessarily a quality it is more of a mind set.... when something big happened (war revolution Religion switch etc..) a big cultural shock that "throws off their groove" so to speak
wow u guys, SoLed was awsome today! as was the simulation for world history! i had fun re-writing the preamble, and i thought we did a good job! but Do Hard Things was awsome, and totally inspirational! it was also kind of hard to read though, and i didn't get to say this in class today, so i will now. That book was telling me the whole time to shape up and change so my life could be better, and the whole time, i felt almost angry. I kind of like being lazy, i tried to convince myself, and its easier if i don't change. Yes, it is easier, but is it better? am i really letting go of one of the best opportunities to grow and become who i want to be by continuing to do what i want? I know I can change the world, I know its my mission, but i worry i am too lazy to get there, and too stuck in old, destructive habits to cahnge for the better. How do I change my habits and keep them changed?
cool Aeneid quote! "His coursers please him less and less, ashamed of easy fight and cheap sucess" this is a part where turnus has returned to battle and is fighting on the outskirts. he becomes disatisfied with it being to easy, and so he does something hard, even though his sister begs him to take the easy way out (it will be fine, she says); he goes and joins the thick of the fight! I'll leave it to you to find what i am trying to explain ;)
So Yesterday i did my leadership project for SL. What we did was pretty much cutting wood and splitting it then taking to to an elderly lady who needed tho wood for heat in the winter. I wasn't expecting to get above 20 hours in cumulative time yet I had 18 people working for 3 1/2 hours for a total of 63 hours! plus the planning time so thats about 65 hours total!
Alright, so I was finishing up HoH and I came upon this really cool quote about Augustus. "Power humbled rather than corrupted him." And thats just awesome! What other great leaders displayed such humility?
ReplyDeleteGeorge Washington immediately comes to mind.
ReplyDeletehmmm
ReplyDeletewell, George Washington was already humble and thus resisted the power and was not necessarily humbled by it...
The Roots of American Order is an amazing book. My pages turned from write to red with all the marking and underlining and thinking that I did, even with just one chapter.
ReplyDeleteso... roots of American Order is the BEST!!!
ReplyDeletehere are some of the quotes that he quoted that I like and some quoted from him and some thoughts from me...
Kirk quotes Simone Weil who said “Order is the first need of all”
She also said “Our twentieth century is a time of disorder” which this could also be said of this 21st century
She then compared the century to the disorder of the Greeks “it is as though we had returned to the age of Protagoras and the Sophists, the age when the Art of passion… took the place of thought.”
Kirk says that you could add that our time of troubles is also like the disorder of the Romans in 100 B.C. or the fall of the said Romans 600 years later.
I just really liked this because now that we know about Greece and stuff we can relate to this...
I like how he mentions the four cities: Athens, Rome, Jerusalem and London and names them as the four cities of the ancient world
No order equals Anarchy and even communism is better than Anarchy this is so true! because with Communism many could survive but in anarchy eventually all will die...
“Ignore a fact and that fact will become your master”
a really good quote from Cicero is: “ Our Age, however, inherited the Republic as if it were some beautiful painting of bygone ages, its colors already fading through great antiquity; and not only has our time neglected to freshen the colors of the picture, but we have failed to preserve its form and outlines.” this is coming true in America today...
No order is perfect since men are not perfect
as James Madison put it, “if men were angels no government would be necessary.”
“Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.” ~ George Santayana
well... that was my random blurb it is disorganized but has a lot of my thoughts of the chapter and even more quotes...
I'm reading Do hard things for SoLed, and it's making me think about how little teenagers are expected to do...really. We do almost NOTHING compared to how much the 'teenagers' of a hundred years ago or more did. We have such low expectations. We need to step up and improve our game. :)
ReplyDeleteI'm not in SoLed, but I do have a comment on that. In my house, I'm not allowed to be a "teenager" I am required to be a young adult. The reason for this is that teenagers are like you said, expected to do so little. A young adult on the other hand, has responsibilities and expectations set for them. We actually are expected to be an adult, and take on different jobs and such things, and by doing so we learn and grow.
ReplyDeleteAnother person of power that comes to mind is Abraham Lincoln.
ReplyDeleteI hardily agree that Roots of American Order is the coolest book! and I like everything Nathan said, here on the blog, and at class today.
A short comment on his comment, Nathan said :
She (Simone Weil) then compared the century to the disorder of the Greeks “it is as though we had returned to the age of Protagoras and the Sophists, the age when the Art of passion… took the place of thought.”
I seems to me that, when Weil uses the term "passion" she means "human desire" or even "vice" so 'The Art of human desire... took place of thought.'
that I just realized is connectable to HoH page 131, the first paragraph of "The Moral Collapse"
So that's just my thought.
And WH class was so awesome today, I loved the discussion, and I love this topic.
One of the quotes that we talked about was: "And order is bigger than its laws, and many aspects of any social order are determined by beliefs and customs, rather than being governed by positive laws." (page 5, Roots of American Order)
I understand the concept that an order is bigger than it's laws, but that's about it, I don't really know exactly how it is that... Do you guys have any ideas?
Inspired by Do Hard Things ;)
ReplyDeleteCompared to the regular ‘teenage girl’ that I am surrounded by, I am pretty great, but compared to myself- I am by no means extraordinary...
The harder we work the more that we are able to do. The more we learn the more that we are able to learn. We never stop expanding, we never stop growing, we never stop learning. What I am saying is that our potential grows every time we grow.
Even if when we are not pushing ourselves, we are often “doing great" according to the worlds standards (because the standards are so low). However, according to our potential, we are below standard. So we must always work beyond what we think is our capacity in order to grow and develop. Then the next time, working at that capacity won’t be as hard. And it continues from there.
This is the cycle:
Work Hard= Learn more & Do more = Capacity Grows
This may seem like a depressing truth, but its really not. We will always have the chance to keep growing and keep learning. We will always have the opportunity to continue developing our character and our mind.
This being said...sometimes you do need to hear that you are pretty great. It can be awfully discouraging when you feel like no one appreciates you and all of the hard work that you are constantly doing. When someone compliments you it may go one of two ways; a) you are grateful and it inspires you to continue on or b) you get a little bit full of yourself and stop working as hard. However, case b) is easily rectified because that is where the whole “look at how much more I can do” comes in. So the cycle then turns into this…
Work Hard= Learn More & Do More = Capacity Grows= People Notice (or you notice)= Get Humble (as needed)& Work Hard = Learn More & Do more = Capacity Grows...
You see the picture? When people notice (sometimes its you that does the noticing ;) or compliment you on the hard work that you are continually doing you are able to start the cycle over again because what they said gives you motivation to continue.
So…Work hard and don’t neglect to compliment others as they work too. As Mr. Brown said today “ Life is an equation: you get out of it EXACTLY what you put in.” So put in all that you have :)
Layne Wixom, Social Leadership
p.s. Totally agreed with you GF Princess :)
I always feel inadequate writin on this blog, I can never bring something cool to the community as you seem to do
ReplyDeleteI am glad you brought that up, Layne. I personally believe that every hard thing we do, every trial we conquer, makes us better people. The situation/ action might be hard, but I have never regretted doing those things! I enjoy the person I grow to be too much!
ReplyDelete@ David. Another that comes to mind is Publius Valarious (aka Poplicola). Plutarch has tells his awesome story of humble leadership!
ReplyDeletePF, Punky and Layne, I love the discussion on Do Hard Things. That book is making me think a lot, too. Nathan, thanks for posting your annotations (quotes and commentary). I think we should all do that. Gabriel, when is our next mentor meeting? If not that, on Wednesday at 12:00-1:00 I am going to do office hours. Maybe you should meet me in my office then and I'll give you some pointers. Anyone else have pointers for Gabriel on how to come up with interesting topics? Here's the link to my Office for office hours: https://sas.elluminate.com/site/external/launch/meeting.jnlp?sid=2010289&password=M.9DDDE6C5570155ECC5BBB355F520D7
ReplyDeleteGabe- look up qoutes (or find them in the book your reading) then write down your impressions/thoughts and go from there :)
ReplyDeleteLayne was right Gabe. Even during classes, if you come up with an epiphany, write it down. Then bring it to the blog. If you can't think of a question, you can always participate in other discussions.
ReplyDeleteLately I've been wondering, what quality in a people causes the rise of civilization; and have that same quality taken away, causes the downfall?
@Greenman
ReplyDeleteOften it is religion. Ancient Israel is probably the best example of that, but there are others (Rome, Greece, etc.)
hmmm...though a quality might be Religion...
ReplyDeleteI would say it is not necessarily a quality it is more of a mind set.... when something big happened (war revolution Religion switch etc..)
a big cultural shock that "throws off their groove" so to speak
wow guys... the blog is slowing down! remember the first week there were like, 63 COMMENTS!!
ReplyDeleteand this week there are only 18!
wow u guys, SoLed was awsome today! as was the simulation for world history! i had fun re-writing the preamble, and i thought we did a good job! but Do Hard Things was awsome, and totally inspirational! it was also kind of hard to read though, and i didn't get to say this in class today, so i will now. That book was telling me the whole time to shape up and change so my life could be better, and the whole time, i felt almost angry. I kind of like being lazy, i tried to convince myself, and its easier if i don't change. Yes, it is easier, but is it better? am i really letting go of one of the best opportunities to grow and become who i want to be by continuing to do what i want? I know I can change the world, I know its my mission, but i worry i am too lazy to get there, and too stuck in old, destructive habits to cahnge for the better. How do I change my habits and keep them changed?
ReplyDelete@ Hilton, Good insight! Ever thought about Virtue though?
ReplyDeleteMmm, I was kinda thinking that religion leads to virtue.
ReplyDeletecool Aeneid quote!
ReplyDelete"His coursers please him less and less, ashamed of easy fight and cheap sucess"
this is a part where turnus has returned to battle and is fighting on the outskirts. he becomes disatisfied with it being to easy, and so he does something hard, even though his sister begs him to take the easy way out (it will be fine, she says); he goes and joins the thick of the fight!
I'll leave it to you to find what i am trying to explain ;)
So Yesterday i did my leadership project for SL. What we did was pretty much cutting wood and splitting it then taking to to an elderly lady who needed tho wood for heat in the winter. I wasn't expecting to get above 20 hours in cumulative time yet I had 18 people working for 3 1/2 hours for a total of 63 hours! plus the planning time so thats about 65 hours total!
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